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What is dubious consent

What Is Dubious Consent
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How the treatment of sexual consent in erotic fanfiction functions as a form of cultural activism. Sexual consent is—at best—a contested topic in Western societies and cultures.

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It translates to non con. Then again we're probably talking PWPs here, so there's not all that much too give away! But yes, summaries are also pretty important, because, yes, dubcon does cover a really wide spectrum.

Re: also here via metanews Date: pm UTC. I do find labelling difficult from a writer standpoint, sometimes you're so in the fic, you can't see the forest for the trees. Because I would also say that dubcon is one of my favorite things, but I like the variety that isn't so much about badwrong as it is about the externalized expression of suppressed desire, i.

It's massively problematic.

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It's Stiles fantasising about Peter controlling him in the car park, it's Loki telling Clint to suck him off. That it's 'not really rape' and therefore shouldn't come under the label non con. Whereas with dub con, you often need to take the time to establish what's going on, and exactly how that's dirtybadwrong, in order to hit the right kink spot. I was thinking, reading about what you get out of dubcon, how different it is from what I get out of it. Of course it's rape. But then again, considering my preferences, it's highly likely my reading choices are biased!

But just because it's problematic doesn't mean it's bad. Flat Top-Level Comments Only. It's a fic-only term that exists only because I can get into a character's head and not only know what they're thinking, but also make them think whatever I want.

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Re: here via metanews Date: pm UTC. Thank you! Tags: kink: dub-contype: meta. But then I guess you don't want to give to much away?

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I am reading it for the dub con, I am reading it for the men who take advantage of the heroines, and the heroines who enjoy it when it happens. The argument for separating dub con and non con is not because I'm trying to argue it's not really rape.

I can read them, I can maybe even enjoy them for plot or character elements.

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Expand Cut Tags No cut tags. It's cool to hear what different people get out of dubcon, I love how it works in different ways for different people despite being technically this one kink. I agree on the dubcon vs noncon labelling but do you really think all romance novels ever are depicting unhealthy relationships?

Harry's confusion and youth, and forcing him into his first orgasm etc. If that's just a little hyperbole, that's fine, but I would strongly disagree unless we quite possibly the case as there are a lot of definitions of the term have a different definition of romance novels. Forgot it? I definitely agree, the grey areas are where the most enjoyable bits are.

As in, non con leaves me cold. I accidentally marked the notif as read in my inbox, and forgot I hadn't replied! Link Reply Thread Hide 3 comments Show 3 comments. That's why I want labelling separation, because one is what I want, and the other is similar but not the same. Just like enthusiastic consent covers only one. They're not my kink.

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It's a vampire putting you under its thrall. It's a valid kink and it's a separate kink to non con, that's why it needs to be labelled as such. I know dub con doesn't exist in real life. Link Reply Thread from start Parent.

It's not consent until brainwashing resulting in impaired consent. I am able to separate what happens in fic from what happens in the real world. I was being flippant, it's not all romance.

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Dubious consent tre the line of consent, it dips in and out from both sides, it attempts at consent but can't because of intoxication it doesn't consent, but then slips and slides into consenting because it 'feels so good'. Dub con is my kink. Dub con in the real world is a separate issue. This isn't true. I've always wanted you but never dared and now we have to fuck or die.

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But they're not going to turn me on. And yes, since this is storytelling and not real life, the grey-areas of dub-con are where some great moments of character exploration occur. The assumption is that my insistence on labelling dub con separately is because I think it actually, in the real world, is a separate thing.

It's Maria sleeping with Schiller because she's in his power and only in part because she's attracted to him. It's a subset of the larger whole. I feel non con can be more instant? I can't speak for every writer, but certainly I don't read romance novels for healthy romance, no matter how much they might tell me that's what it is.

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name: Password OpenID? One of the things I like about fannish differentiation of terms is that it's likely to be pretty obvious from a fic's metadata if it's doing unsexy serious realistic rape or eroticized badwrong rape or eroticized grey is-it-really? I guess in a way you could say that my dub con fantasy isn't just a rape fantasy, it's an 'enjoying your rape' fantasy.

I'd read any of those things, depending on my mood and the fandom, but in each case I would want to know what I was getting into, because the ificance of nonconsent is different in each. It's Snape taking advantage of abused! Rape fics make me uncomfortable. It's probably the majority romance I've read.

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To me the dub-con vs. Dub con can cover a large variety of consent issues, whereas non con covers only one. Dub con in the real world translates to abusive relationships and rape.

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In general, I'm a big fan of content labels for precisely the reasons you lay out here: because I want to find stories that are going to do my kinks the way I like them. Remember Me. The difference between dub con and non con.

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Consent obtained through manipulation and coercion is not freely given consent, but neither is it thwacking somebody over the head. Dub con is all manner of coercion in between. Link Reply Thread Hide 1 comment Show 1 comment. The reason is because they are actually separate kinks.

And that's because in the real world our definitions are there to protect people and you know, be moral and do the right thing. You think I don't realise that's problematic? No you're right. Non con is straightforward, lack of consent is basically easy to recognise.

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Top of. Dub con is not a mislabelling, just like it's not a deviant sexual desire. I guess the more specific you can be in the AN the more you help the reader? Fantastic essay.

Dubcon is unproblematic: why the dubious consent trope is different than the normalization of rape in romance and erotica

It's ALL non con. In fic our rules are there to help you find your kink, to enable sexual fantasies. In the real world there is no dub con, only non con, i. I really hate this idea that dub con writers would rather be writing non con but don't have the guts.

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